I once spent a week at a conference in Atlantic City. Which is pretty much Vegas, but lower rent. Nowhere to eat apart from casino restaurants, because they'd driven everyone else out of business. Extremely difficult to get receipts from taxi drivers to expense. If you weren't there to throw away money, why were you there? I took the train from Philadelphia's 30th street station, which, with its statues of angels, is cathedral-like in grandeur. The rise over the horizon of the red TRUMP neon at the top of the buildings as we approached Atlantic City was truly hellish in demeanour. Good luck electing that guy. L. whose very first ever PhD supervisor got married in Vegas. which was, in retrospect, one hell of a warning. Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@xxxxxxxxxxx http://about.me/lloydwood ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> To: Paul Wouters <paul@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: IETF <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2016, 10:38 Subject: Re: Hotel situation >> why? vegas seems an ok us venue. maybe tacky, but we're not so high >> society ourselves. > > Often, companies cannot let their people go to "party locations", even > if they know the conference is real and the employees are there doing > work. Corporate policies banning those locations tend to trump that. i am not sure i would want to work for a manager who thought vegas was a leisure destination. but i had not considered this aspect. i consider vegas to be a form of hell; but it works well for conferences. i suspect there is a correlation between very large all-in-one hotels and the perception of a leisure destination. back to bob's point that we have placed whole lot of conditions. randy