Thanks, Ray
Interesting insight with room nights. vs. rooms.
If i understand this correctly, then at peak there where likely only
250 - 95 = 155 rooms available at <= $209. That explains to me a lot more
how quickly the rooms went than what i had to assume from the IETF
page, 300 rooms at $209 for peak night.
I am sorry if you find my characterization of "dishonest"/"rigged" for
the prior IETF disclosure inappropriate, but thats how i perceive this.
How would you call it when someone offers tickets to a lottery claiming
some probability to win, and after being pressed he has to admit the
chances are just 50% of that ?
Btw: I think it makes perfect sense to reserve ok. priced rooms for the heavily
involved folks at the IETF as you listed. For the volunteer part of that
population i don't care whether it's necessary or perk, it's highly deserved,
and for the ones drawing a paycheck from the activity, its easily understood
how they may need to be on-call at randomn times (i've had to get folks late
in the evening for next-day preps in the past).
Cheers
Toerless
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 06:57:27AM -0500, Ray Pelletier wrote:
> Toerless,
>
> > On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Toerless Eckert <eckert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, i am not paying $270 for a hotel room even if it's just on my employer.
> >
> > I don't mind not getting a room in the Hilton. I experienced
> > the same rigged IETF room game in Yokohama and was very happy with my outside
> > room which was a lot cheaper and probaly a lot better than the IETF conference hotel.
> >
> > I just would for a change once like to see honest communications from IETF.
> > How many rooms for $209 where blocked, how many rooms for $270 where blocked,
> > and how many where actually available to book at the time the email was sent out.
>
> The block contracted was:
>
> 2,410 room nights were contracted at $209 (250 on peak).
>
> 450 room nights were contracted at $270 (50 on peak) all available
> for delegates when reservations opened.
>
> 95 rooms (840 total rooms - 28% of the total block) were held out
> for a sub-block at the $209 rate for NOC Vols, Verilan, AMS, IESG,
> IAB, IAOC
>
> 1,570 room nights with 155 on peak were available when reservations
> opened at the $209 rate.
>
> At https://www.ietf.org/meeting/95/hotel.html the $209 and $270 room rates
> were stated, however, the number of rooms associated with each was not
> stated. We will do so in the future.
>
> >
> > Don't think this is too much to ask for.
>
> Nor is it too much to ask that one avoid characterizing our communications
> or information as dishonest, perhaps incomplete or inaccurate, but never
> dishonest.
>
> Your apology is accepted.
> Ray
>
> >
> > Cheers
> > Toerless
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 05:26:14PM +0100, Martin Vigoureux wrote:
> >> the hotel currently indicates
> >> $209 30-Mar to 03-Apr
> >> $270 03-Apr to 04-Apr
> >> no room on 04-Apr
> >> $209 05-Apr to 10-Apr
> >>
> >> -m
> >>
> >> Le 16/12/2015 17:20, Toerless Eckert a écrit :
> >>> Nobody said 300 rooms at $209. Just "IETF rate", which on their
> >>> reservation page was $209 and $270
> >>>
> >>> And i am sure iwas also not 300 bookable rooms by the time the mail was
> >>> sent.
> >>>
> >>> So, rigged game. IETF should do better.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:18:11AM -0500, Brian Rosen wrote:
> >>>> There are 300 rooms at the IETF rate. They told us that in Yokohama, and
> >>>> it says that on the website.
> >>>>
> >>>> They know it???s not enough, but it was all they could get.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Toerless Eckert <eckert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The $270 rooms also show up as IETF rate and its still available only
> >>>>> with IETF booking code. So my question staands. How many rooms at $209.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:09:12AM -0500, Brian Rosen wrote:
> >>>>>> We have been told, 300 rooms. We know it???s not enough, but it???s
> >>>>>> all they could get.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brian
> >>>>>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Toerless Eckert <eckert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How many rooms where blocked at the $209 rate ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think this is a rigged game. I bet a large percentage of rooms
> >>>>>>> will have been booked before the email by folks in the IETF that are
> >>>>>>> in the know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Show us a log from the hotel when each of the booking was being made,
> >>>>>>> then we will know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>> Toerless
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 03:30:10PM +0000, Tim Chown wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I reserved a room fine, from the hotel info page on the ietf95 site
> >>>>>>>> not the link on the email (tho they may be the same)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 300 rooms will fly off the shelf???
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2015, at 15:22, Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I just got a booking, but had to adjust the arrival/departure dates
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> get that booking.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> $ 250 per night (including taxes)... Duuh.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> (At least I don't have to pay for a visa.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Grüße, Carsten
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Eric Burger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Really? Is that because there is an IETF block and we do not know
> >>>>>>>>>> the code, or are we SOL, nine minutes into registration?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For a paltry USD 450/night (including tax), we can get in on
> >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday April 5.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Really?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> Toerless Eckert, eckert@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Toerless Eckert, eckert@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> > --
> > ---
> > Toerless Eckert, eckert@xxxxxxxxx
> >
>
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