Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> On 17/12/15 16:21, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> Hopefully "perk" is not quite the intended word, but "necessary >> convenience" might serve better. Although... How many IESG breakfasts >> were there in Prague? > > I think 3 incl. Sunday, but with a bunch of ADs at another brekkie > thing one of the days (taking advantage of a cancelled IESG brekkie). > >> And, as a member of NomCom I had breakfast meetings every day of the >> week in Yokohama, but no preferential treatment. > > Yeah, that seemed unfairish to me too. > >> I agree that the I* needs to be around the meeting venue. The >> Secretariat even more so. >> >> But it wold be useful thought experiment for them all to examine how >> their weeks would be different if they had a 20 minute walk each way >> each day. > > Actually, the end of day in the meeting hotel is often more useful > I think for bumping into I* folks after dinner. Or maybe I just > hang around bars a lot:-) I agree on this point. I did try to stop at the bar areas in Prague to be available to chat... However, I really did enjoy my 20 minute walk each way. This made sure that I saw the light of day and got a tiny bit of exercise. For BA, my situation will be different and I plan to stay at the Hilton. My reason is not meetings, but making sure my son-to-be will be able to eat. We may want to think about preference and special requests that may be important for some attendees and give them a way to place advance requests if they have a special need for accommodations. Best regards, Kathleen > > S > >> >> Adrian >> >>> First meeting for IAB/IESG members during IETF week is 8am, >>> possibly earlier. >>> >>> My first meeting I have to be at is 9am on some days of the week. >>> >>> Sure, I might arrange a breakfast meeting etc. But there is a big >>> difference between a meeting I arrange at my convenience where I >>> expect four or five people to be at and one that is set by others >>> and will have two dozen people discussing something that is complex >>> and not necessarily my stuff. >>> >>> I am all for greater openness and accountability in IETF. But the >>> starting point for that would be recognizing that we do actually >>> have a membership and officeholders should be accountable to it >>> rather than petty attempts to strip officeholders of the only perk >>> they get for doing the jobs. >