On 17/12/15 16:21, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hopefully "perk" is not quite the intended word, but "necessary > convenience" might serve better. Although... How many IESG breakfasts > were there in Prague? I think 3 incl. Sunday, but with a bunch of ADs at another brekkie thing one of the days (taking advantage of a cancelled IESG brekkie). > And, as a member of NomCom I had breakfast meetings every day of the > week in Yokohama, but no preferential treatment. Yeah, that seemed unfairish to me too. > I agree that the I* needs to be around the meeting venue. The > Secretariat even more so. > > But it wold be useful thought experiment for them all to examine how > their weeks would be different if they had a 20 minute walk each way > each day. Actually, the end of day in the meeting hotel is often more useful I think for bumping into I* folks after dinner. Or maybe I just hang around bars a lot:-) S > > Adrian > >> First meeting for IAB/IESG members during IETF week is 8am, >> possibly earlier. >> >> My first meeting I have to be at is 9am on some days of the week. >> >> Sure, I might arrange a breakfast meeting etc. But there is a big >> difference between a meeting I arrange at my convenience where I >> expect four or five people to be at and one that is set by others >> and will have two dozen people discussing something that is complex >> and not necessarily my stuff. >> >> I am all for greater openness and accountability in IETF. But the >> starting point for that would be recognizing that we do actually >> have a membership and officeholders should be accountable to it >> rather than petty attempts to strip officeholders of the only perk >> they get for doing the jobs. > >