while I’m at it - RFC 2418 was developed in a general area working group (poisson) it would seem to me that a document that proscribes how the fundamental work unit of the IETF is to function is of sufficient importance to be developed in the same way - i.e. if the IETF feels that an update to the existing document is need it should charter a working group with such a revision as its goal this is purely a process point - it is unrelated to the quality of the ID - it is my opinion that the creation or revision of the basic IETF process documents needs to be done with significant deliberation Scott