> It’s quite possible that the appropriate tradeoff for society > continues to be that as documented in RFC1984, but it should be > recognized as an actual tradeoff and not an an approach without any > impact to lawful enforcement activities (as might be implied from your > comments above.) sorry, i can't resist We should not be building surveillance technology into standards. Law enforcement was not supposed to be easy. Where it is easy, it's called a police state. -- Jeff Schiller