Re: CITIZENFOUR in Prague

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On 2015-06-26 20:46, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Joe Touch <touch@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:touch@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     On 6/26/2015 12:37 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
>     > Den 25. juni 2015 17:56, skrev Joe Touch:
>     >> Nope. The IETF isn't political at all.
>     >
>     > We take positions, and we're proud of it.
>     >
>     > A Mission Statement for the IETF (RFC 3935) section 4.1 is most explicit:
>     >
>     >    The Internet isn't value-neutral, and neither is the IETF.  We want
>     >    the Internet to be useful for communities that share our commitment
>     >    to openness and fairness.  We embrace technical concepts such as
>     >    decentralized control, edge-user empowerment and sharing of
>     >    resources, because those concepts resonate with the core values of
>     >    the IETF community.  These concepts have little to do with the
>     >    technology that's possible, and much to do with the technology that
>     >    we choose to create.
> 
>     IMO, your interpretation of this as relating to political issues
>     mistakes the IETF for EFF.
> 
>     Further, organizations that promote political agendas take great pains
>     to separate those events (and financial resources) from non-political
>     meetings. Otherwise, e.g., those on US gov't funds might be questioned
>     about their registration fees here.
> 
>     I take the above instead to mean that the IETF should not "let a
>     thousand flowers bloom" but rather pick technologies based on their core
>     values. When the IETF has had opportunity to do this, they have
>     summarily and repeatedly failed in favor of the profits of their
>     participants. I have said repeatedly that "sometimes the right answer is
>     'no'".
> 
> 
> Among the Snowden documents was the disclosure that the NSA had been
> spending taxpayer money to undermine and subvert standards activities
> including IETF.
> 
> As I pointed out to several folk in the administration after the
> original story broke, I was asked to come out of retirement and work on
> securing the net because they told me it was a matter of national
> importance to secure the critical infrastructure. Now I discover that a
> US government agency charged with protecting national security has been
> actively sabotaging my work and that of the rest of us in the security area.
> 
> What we have created here is a technology trap that sprang shut roughly
> twenty years ago with Western civilization inside. Without electricity,
> sanitation and water, modern cities collapse within weeks. None of those
> infrastructures have been designed for security and all are now
> connected to network that allows attacks to be launched from any place
> in the world with absolutely no hope of attribution.
> 
> At this point we can either let the generals in Russia China and the US
> turn cyber into a new domain with the commercial and consulting
> opportunities that offers or we can work on making those attacks
> superfluous. Land, Sea and Air bleed three quarters of a trillion
> dollars from the US exchequer every year. Are we going to allow them to
> make cyber a domain and make it a round trillion?
> 

... and that is why showing a movie about this isn't the worst idea
I've seen the IETF have in recent years.




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