----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@xxxxxxxxx> To: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 10:20 AM > On 02/06/2015 19:05, Joe Touch wrote: > > > > On 6/2/2015 11:02 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > >> On Jun 2, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Joe Touch <touch@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> Leaving out the have-nots - or those whose access is blocked by others > >>> when content cannot be scanned - isn't moving forward. > >> That would certainly be a problem if the consensus were not to > >> provide both a secure and an, as you call it, "open" version of all IETF documents. > > The IETF is more than just the documents. > > > > All IETF content should be accessible via non-secure means. > > > > Joe > > > > > s/should/MUST/ Which I don't think is the case at present. I have never managed to get http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf to resolve to anything other than a blank screen. https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf works as I would expect it to. Information on other mailing lists and their archives that I look at I can access with http: (even if the IETF website first offers me https:). Tom Petch > Stewart >