I've had more than one case where trying to hit a -00 (or other) deadline with another author, in another timezone, doing an everyone signs off would have missed the deadline. We may have reached "OK, I'm happy with those edits, you make them and submit, I'm going to sleep" stage. Yes, I know, better not to run quite so hard up against a deadline. -- Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer BAE Systems Applied Intelligence __________________________________________________________________________ T: +44 (0)1245 242194 | E: chris.dearlove@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx BAE Systems Applied Intelligence, Chelmsford Technology Park, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, Essex CM2 8HN. www.baesystems.com/ai BAE Systems Applied Intelligence Limited Registered in England & Wales No: 01337451 Registered Office: Surrey Research Park, Guildford, Surrey, GU2 7YP -----Original Message----- From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fred Baker (fred) Sent: 21 April 2015 10:46 To: IETF Discussion Mailing List Subject: Policy and tools regarding the filing of Internet Drafts I’m not sure what list this question belongs on, so I’m bringing it here. Happy to be redirected. I have had a problem on a number of occasions with my name being listed as an author on a draft that I had not agreed to co-author, and in some cases, that I hadn’t even seen. In most cases, I have been able to get the putative co-author to remove my name in a -01 version. I can point to at least one draft that I didn’t initially agree to co-author, was unsuccessful in getting my "co-authors" to remove it, and wound up largely re-writing, which involved a lot of work. I’m not alone in this; various people have complained of third parties listing them as co-authors on drafts without their consent. I’m bringing it up this time on the behalf of some Cisco colleagues, who found themselves "co-authoring" a draft that they didn’t know anything about in one working group, got their names off the draft, and then discovered their names on a related draft in another working group. It seems to me that an ethical line was crossed in the interest of showing support for a concept. First, I’d like to believe that this isn’t an acceptable practice. I’d like to believe, shock of shocks, that a co-author is first someone that has agreed to co-author, and is someone that has text or at least concepts that are included in the draft. Second, I wonder if there is a way we can manage this. A simple approach would involve the posting tool. When we ask to post something, the authors are polled in email to ensure that the email address in the draft actually gets to them, and they have to reply either in email or on the web. What would it take to, when posting a -00 draft, require all of the co-authors to positively respond, and have the posting fail if they don’t, or if any responds negatively? This would also clear out people whose addresses change; I understand an address changing in a later version of a draft (someone@xxxxxxxxxxxx becomes someone+else@xxxxxxxxxxxx) and being missed in a draft update, but I don’t understand an incorrect address on the -00 version. ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ********************************************************************