>>>>> "Eliot" == Eliot Lear <lear@xxxxxxxxx> writes: Eliot> Hi, Sam's right. We should do better than simply replacing Eliot> one insecure service with another. Hi. I was quite frustrated reading this message and would like to be heard differently. I was arguing that removing ftp from the IETF does not seem to be about privacy and does not seem to change the privacy scape one way or the other. I did not take a position on whether we should work more to discourage cleartext access to our documents.