On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Nico, > > On 20/03/2015 15:53, Nico Williams wrote: > ... >> There must be better ways to draft text to obtain such protection. > > IANAL. As far as I know, YANAL. So I don't see how either of us > could really make that assertion. If there's a jurisdiction where > accusing somebody of not being a lawyer is considered to be harassment, > a way of keeping the matter out of the courts of that jurisdiction > is for the person who's been accused of not being a lawyer to > invoke the Ombudsteam. This works regardless of geography. Elsewhere I explain that we must be able to judge the lawyers' output. We cannot simply take it, no questions asked. An IETF process is insufficient for keeping a harassment case out of the courts if the IETF process itself produces a controversy such as might cause one to file a civil lawsuit. A process with the faults I listed is not confidence inspiring.