On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > However, reading this draft, I'm filled with sadness, disappointment and > worry when I think about some of the details. I do not think this draft > is ready and I think we have some more work to do. I don't support the > idea that what we have is good enough and we should run with it and > incrementally improve later. Also, after reading Dave Crocker's review > and discussing with him off-list, I think he has points that critically > need to be considered. In particular, Dave's point about distinguishing > interpersonal difficulty from harassment and not focusing on asking > subjects to act differently in the case of harassment seems important. Yes, this. Harassment is the sort of thing that's difficult to be objective about in every case. I hope we don't formalize this too much, else it will be too easy to ostracize good people who unintentionally offended someone. Regarding confidentiality, I'll simply point out that at the limit, when a legal process is involved and discovery is triggered (and testimony) there is no confidentiality. We shouldn't promise that which we can't deliver. This should be pretty obvious, I'd think. As to removal, as long as there is a process for removal, whether the ombusteam itself decides it or not is not that important to me. Cheers, Nico --