>>>>> "Nico" == Nico Williams <nico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Nico> Have there been harassment cases in the IETF, using the Nico> definition given in the I-D? Nico> I'm thinking that most cases of harassment (here and Nico> elsewhere) are either a) not sufficiently notable (people Nico> being jerks without causing too much grief), or b) so notable Nico> as to merit civil or criminal law action. Clearly there's not Nico> much for us to do about (b), and doing much about (a) seems Nico> unwarranted. No doubt there is also a class (c) of jerks who Nico> won't stop being jerks, but they risk either escalating to Nico> legal action territory ((b)), or being ostracized. Yes. First, it's important for us to have a policy for dealing with cases that also involve legal issues. You can run into real liability as an organization for not having internal procedures and forcing everything to be legal. However, I have experienced harassment and have heard stories where legal action would be inappropriate but where remedies in section 5 of the draft would be important. Would specific examples help you understand the situation enough that it's worth bringing them up?