> I don't know how to make easy measurements that would > identify him and keep him off if his company decided he'd be > useful to have on the Nomcom to get more of their employees > selected to key roles. Swap the focus. Rather than seeking to characterize the clueless, let's characterize folk who are much more likely to be clueful: Ensure that at least a portion of the Nomcom has contributed in formal, documented way. AD, Chair, author.. whatever set of activities we feel makes it likely they will have clue. As for Loa's question about why someone who hasn't done real IETF work would want to volunteer, the answer is politics and/or ego. They or their company might want to hold sway over nomcom or the person might just want to add this to their resume. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net