On Sunday, I gave a presentation on presentation skills. I had been through several rounds of edits and reviews on my slides, and then I went on vacation last week. I could have uploaded at least draft slides before that, had I known where, but I confess that I continued tweaking until Saturday. Much of what I had to say about how to present drafts won't be in time for this week, because people will already have submitted their own drafts. I do hope that some presentations are improved at this meeting, and going forward, specifically with the goal of improving the feedback so we product better documents. There was somebody with a camera in the front row. Meetecho? I don't know, and I like to move around while I talk, so I was probably hard to follow if I was on video. I also encouraged feedback and discussion during the session, and got some great extra notes, and I would be delighted to work with the EDU team or others to record an even better video coaching people how to get the most out of their IETF presentation session. Lee On 11/8/14 8:10 AM, "John C Klensin" <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: >Hi. > >As others debate things we should do about allowing people to >attend IETF meetings in the future, I want to note a present >issue that has been raised before but apparently not addressed >in practice. > >We've developed a tradition of doing a number of tutorials on >Sundays. There are "only" four of them tomorrow, but they all >seem interesting and at least three, maybe all four, are >relevant to newcomers -- whether those newcomers are local or >remote and even whether they are likely to be local in future >meetings. > >Done well, they have the potential to be immensely helpful to >people not familiar with a particular topic (or the IETF in >general). Even a poor job is better than nothing. That help is >even more important for those who are remote because things are >harder to understand when one is not in the room and because we >offer nothing in the way of support, even to the extent of >little smiley faces on badges. > >We've also been told, repeatedly, that, for those not extremely >able in listening to spoken English, having slides and other >materials available in advance is extremely helpful, even to the >point of making the difference between a session that is >understood and one that is an incomprehensible waste of time. > >And yet, as of now, the day before those sessions, there again >appears to be no arrangements for video or even audio or those >sessions. Neither the tools agenda nor the meeting materials >page indicates any of them as having either an outline or slides >posted. Nothing. The newcomer's introduction itself is given, >with small variations, at every meeting. I know the slides from >previous ones are online. They would at least provide hints, >but it isn't obvious from any of the meeting pages where to find >them. > >So, assuming the IETF actually cares about remote attendees and >newcomers, perhaps even about newcomer remote attendees, why is >there no video or audio for those Sunday sessions? Why does >there not seem to be a plan for getting those sessions online so >they can be viewed between meetings? And why are slides and >background materials not posted? As a final question, since the >Nomcom is presumably starting to make decisions this week, who >is accountable for the apparent lack of progress on this subject >despite the fact that it has been pointed out as a problem >several times before? > >Grumble. > john > >