--On Thursday, October 16, 2014 07:27 -0700 Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> If we really have an issue with Apps and Area boundaries, then >> let's address that issue. There is, however, a chance that >> the current Apps issue, the recent issues with Transport, >> increasing homogeneity in the IESG and exclusion of people >> who don't have strong corporate/organization support, and >> questions about work migrating out of the IETF that used to >> be obviously done here are part of a pattern. > > I think both of those are issues. But I think addressing the > latter and harder problem should not prevent us from > addressing the former. The management structure needs to > scale, but we still need the right areas, matching where the > work is. I completely agree. Sorry if I was not clear. john