Doug, Not attacking your POV, but I would like to try pose another perhaps more positive take on this... On 18/09/14 19:38, Doug Barton wrote: > "But we're just a bunch of volunteers!" is not only not an adequate > excuse, it's a serious negative in that space. "We are volunteers and we work well and hard on stuff that we find useful, (some of which has changed the world)" seems to me to be a better characterisation of the situation and also something to shout from an occasional rooftop. That others might not get or think badly of that is frequently not our problem, and is often theirs. I figure that applies to tooling just as much as the rest of what we do (when we do it well:-) Cheers, S.