unstated is whom it is who decides “adequate”… and your broad brush “world stage” and the innuendo of “negative” perception appears to be FUD at best. /bill PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102 On 18September2014Thursday, at 11:38, Doug Barton <dougb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 9/18/14 8:43 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: >> Finally, the volunteer services. They run extremely well, but like commercial services, they are not perfect. Generally speaking, our volunteer services tend to migrate to officially maintained IETF services over time, and that is one opportunity to address additional needs. But a lot is done by volunteers, obviously! Hopefully you can participate the Code Sprint event, and possibly help address any issues within the volunteer servers. > > Jari, > > When the volunteer services are adequate to the task, all is well. When they are not, consideration has to be made to bring those services under the supported umbrella with haste. It's all well and good that this is in large part a volunteer organization, but if we're going to be taken seriously on the world stage things have to work, period. "But we're just a bunch of volunteers!" is not only not an adequate excuse, it's a serious negative in that space. > > That said, I'm speaking generally; without any specific team, function, etc. in mind. > > Doug >