On 17/09/2014 09:46, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 9/16/2014 2:31 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: >> And from experiences we all have been through, I would stronglye xpect >> even more complex and difficult discussions if we open the document up >> to substantive changes. > > > Taken on its face, this appears to be an argument for never making any > changes to any aspect of IETF infrastructure. Which I'm pretty sure is not what Joel meant. I'd rather see a rapid IETF Last Call on draft-kucherawy-rfc3777bis-01, which is intentionally a no-op in terms of process changes. It could easily be expedited as an RFC before the next IETF, if anybody cares that much. Then we can have a managed discussion of the issues and proposals that Mike has raised, which deserve debate. Brian