On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 9/16/2014 2:31 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: >> And from experiences we all have been through, I would stronglye xpect >> even more complex and difficult discussions if we open the document up >> to substantive changes. > > Taken on its face, this appears to be an argument for never making any > changes to any aspect of IETF infrastructure. > > The pain level of getting anything in the IETF's infrastructure to be > changed is high enough to make that argument plausible, but of course it > isn't -- or rather, it must not be -- acceptable. It's a feature. It's difficult enough that we'd have a damned good reason to undertake any changes. > So the question is whether the problems of concern are serious enough to > warrant the very likely (nay, certain) pain? Exactly. Nico --