At 10:44 PM 9/15/2014, Michael StJohns wrote: >>I?d argue that 2 out of 10 is not necessarily a big problem. But are you concerned about that, or are you concerned there might be cases where closely associated entities can circumvent the limit of 2, or are you concerned that the nomcom volunteers to a too large extent consists of commercial vendors? > >Mostly I think the latter. As a matter of pragmatism, the folks we select for the various IESG/IAB/IAOC positions are mostly going to be those with good support from their companies. That's still going to trend towards selecting people from large companies. Even if we reduce the influence of large companies on the selection process, that's not going to change for things like the IESG, but at least we remove one leg of trends that tend to oligarchical organization behavior. I think I was asleep when writing the above - instead: Mostly I think its about too large a representation by large organizations, regardless of their individual foci of commercial, educational, international or state goals. As a matter of pragmatism, the folks we select for our leadership positions tend to come from large organizations, simply due to the level of support necessary for a participant to be successful in an IETF leadership position. Changing the selection process for the composition of the Nomcom is realistically NOT going to change that tendency. What modification of the selection process should do is reduce one of the enablers for oligarchical organizational behavior - specifically like selecting like. Mike