--On Tuesday, 02 September, 2014 10:28 +0300 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > I actually don't think more segmentation will help. First, my > experience is that the "noise" is not primarily because of > drafts I don't care about, but because of people who can't > control their logohhrea and who feel that "rough consensus" is > approximately the same thing as "I have shouted down everyone > who disagrees with me." (Indeed, in my experience, the number > of noisy transmitters is really quite small. You probably > have your own list.) > Second, I think that the IETF is already precariously > over-segmented. Way too little cross-review is happening, and > the consequence is not just that insights from people who > might have something useful to say is missed. >... +1 I would add that, if one were looking for effective solutions to the noise, it think they would lie, not in one mailing list per document (which, as Andrew says, would mostly promote more fragmentation or less cross-review) but a rule that a given person could post once on a given document or topic, follow up once, but they was either required to shut up or do the work to create a discussion charter for a new list or WG with the threshold for the former slightly higher than is today... or at least to wait a full week before a third message. More that two postings on a topic would be considered antisocial (at least). I've certainly been guilty of too many messages in attempts to clarify, but would probably benefit from fewer, better-considered messages, which such a rule would encourage. john