On 8/18/2014 8:49 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2014, Dave Crocker wrote: >> When someone from the community provides detailed comments, the >> responsibility rests with the author to /engage/ in actual discussion >> about them. Not ignore or summarily reject them. > > Does "I believe that the latest update of the draft accomodates all the > comments that have been made" not qualify? No. Not even close. That's a phrase that should only come after detailed and meaningful discussion about disagreements and concerns. It should represent a summary of that discussion and not attempt to replace it. The idea that it should qualify as a standalone response underscores a basic disconnect about the nature how work in the IETF is supposed to be done. This is not supposed to be a magical process, where an author mystically decides what to include and what not to include. This is supposed to be a community collaboration, with discussion about disagreements. Claims that such diligent discussion would take too much time are strikingly at odds with the core process that has produced quality work here for 45 years. Thoughtful comments on a document warrant thoughtful responses and meaningful engagement in resolving differences. In simplistic terms, this means that "yes" and "no" are far less interesting than responses such as "I don't understand" and "what about...?" Folks who think otherwise should consider RFC 7282, and especially Sections 2 and 3. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net