On 13/08/2014 02:32, Warren Kumari wrote: ... > Can someone please remind me what problem exactly we are trying to solve? A full-on participant in the IETF will need to stay on this list and join the last call list, so it isn't about mail volume. > Do we really think that the volume of LC comments are so large that > folk don't participate on -discuss? That there is so much faff on > discuss that folk cannot see the LC discussions? I filter all messages with "last call" in the subject into a dedicated inbox, so a dedicated list would be a slight convenience. I don't see how anybody can manage their IETF mail without aggressive subject-based filtering or threading. > There is significant value in having a general discussion list -- we > are, in theory, a community -- part of being part of a community > involves knowing the other folk, and building a shared ethos. -discuss > is, IMO, the closest we have to that. Things like PHB's Tardis > discussion didn't hurt anyone, and provided A: some education, B: some > chuckles, and C: an understanding of some other folks interests. Yes. And I also have a filter called "ietf-silly-subj" which I update whenever a really annoying thread breaks out... Brian