On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > We just lost another 10% (?) from this list. At Plenary in Toronto several folks admitted to unsubscribing years ago from this list. Without judging whether or not the community needs a list for all the varied discussions that take place here, isn't it time for a Last Call list? To be fair, if one is to subscribe to the TLS WG list, might as well subscribe to this DDoS too. More seriously, I have no problem "filtering" out (I don't mean MUA filters) things I don't want to pay attention to. Maybe that's just me, but maybe that's just fine to expect. Serious proposal: - cleave this list in two, but all subscribers to one will be made subscribers to the other - one list for IETF LC, the other for any other business People who want to filter the AOB content, will filter the AOB list. Personally I think that's likely to greatly reduce liveliness on the AOB list, but hopefully not enough to also kill liveliness on the LC list. What if it does? - all subscribers to any other IETF WG lists (and maybe others as well) get to post to the IETF LC and ABO lists without having to subscribe. The last point is important: before subscribing to this list I could only participate when threads were CC'ed to lists I was on (very likely, since I'm on so many), but my responses required moderator approval to make it onto this list. WAT? Talk about sadistic incentives: subscribe and suffer or else. I finally subscribed. After 13 years of holding out. Nico --