Re: IETF-91 Question - Hilton Hawaiian village construction and resort fee

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On 8/11/2014 2:35 PM, Lou Berger wrote:
> Which, of course, just highlights how broken this survey process is.
> I'd love to see the responses weighted by *any* metric of contribution
> to IETF work product, i.e., RFCs...  Or for that matter just kill the
> idea that such surveys have any real benefit to the IETF. (That is other
> than to justify IETF tourism.)

That won't help.  Most real contributors are well-funded.  Their biases
are the same as other well-funded participants.


> Perhaps it's time for an RFC on the role of beauty contests in judging
> IETF consensus...

Unfortunately a serious treatment of that issue requires a) discussing
meaningful survey methodology -- including proper respondent sample
selection, and b) getting IETF management to believe it (or, rather,
believe that it matters).  Perhaps you can have more success that I have
had over recent years.

In the current example, a desire to ensure that IETF meetings are
adequately accessible for those with modest funding requires explicitly
asking such folk where they would prefer to meet and what sorts of
resources they need access to.

While there is current attention paid to the availability of 'other'
lodging, there has not been careful consideration of the costs at those
alternatives.  I certainly haven't seen any modest choices anywhere near
to the Hawaii venue.

Perhaps we should ask to have every venue include publication of
specific resource information, along the lines of:

   1. Examples of nearby modest lodging, including what the rate range
is likely to be and what the transportation time/cost will be if not in
walking distance.

   2. Examples of nearby restaurants, at various price points.

   3. Examples of nearby grocery choices, as the fallback for those with
severe dietary restrictions.

Some of this is already done informally.  I'm suggesting it be done
carefully and that the results be published.  Some venues have masses of
nearby resources at all sorts of price points.  They don't need this
sort of formal exercise, of course.  Others, however, do.

Of course, none of that attends to choosing venues that are
strategically out of the way to nearly all regular participants, but
really nice for tourism or beneficial for "marketing" the IETF...

d/

-- 
Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net





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