Re: IETF-91 Question - Hilton Hawaiian village construction and resort fee

["Rosen, Brian" <Brian.Rosen@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes!

This was another problem with the construction at the Fairmont.  Many of the rooms had windows blocked because of the view into the room by the construction.  I had to wait an extra couple of hours to get a room without this “feature” when I checked in.

Brian

On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Mary Barnes <mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So, it seems then that the primary concern with regards to construction would be with any of the rooms in the area of the construction. There is actually very little information on the Hilton website - it simply states:  
Construction is taking place on the northeast corner of the resort. Work is limited to 9am – 5pm, Monday through Friday. 

However, I looked at booking on AAvacations to see what the rate would be for both the airfare and hotel and the only rooms available were Construction View, with the following detail was provided: "The Façade is being refurbished."  I interpret that to mean that there will scaffolding on the building (and possibly workers outside your windows on Friday).  

It's possible the IETF room block does not include the construction view rooms, but my guess is that wouldn't be the case based upon how most hotels do things.  So, can we ask the hotel to NOT put IETFers in these rooms?   Or, is each person just going to have to insist that their room not be in the NorthEast corner?  While I spend little time in my room, the view from the room could likely to be a large part of what some of us see of the island.  

Thanks,

Mary.  

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 9, 2014, at 2:06 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote:

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> --On Saturday, August 09, 2014 13:42 -0400 Ray Pelletier
> <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Mary
>>
>> Thanks for the questions.
>>
>> There is construction at the Hilton Hawaiian Village, but
>> during IETF 91 there will be no construction Monday through
>> Thursday. Construction will resume on Friday.
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> Ray,
>
> I hate to ask this question but how confident are you about
> those promises?  Several of us have not-very-fond memories of
> what I assume was a large rotary hammer/ drill at the Fairmont
> (or several of them) but I'd assume the hotel would consider
> that "a little drilling" or "preparation for the next round of
> construction" not "construction".   So

The construction referred to at Fairmont was not actually construction
being conducted by the hotel, but by the City of Toronto.

>
> (1) Do you have a clear agreement about what constitutes
> "construction" in the contract, ideally one that you would be
> willing to share with us?

There is no definition of construction in the contract.  The agreement states:

“The Hotel has received confirmation and agrees to stop construction
during the dates of November 10 - 13, 2014, inclusive.  Construction will
resume on Friday, November 14, 2014, from 09:00 to 5:00pm; normal
construction schedule is Monday through Friday, 09:00am - 5:00pm.
There will be no construction on Saturday and Sunday.”

>
> (2) If there is any ambiguity in that agreement, does the hotel,
> an outside contractor, or we get to decide whether something is
> "construction" or not?  (Clearly we didn't have much useful
> input at the Fairmont because they were drilling/hammering all
> week).

This was not a Fairmont issue.  Construction was being conducted by the
City of Toronto and not within our control or within the control of the Fairmont.

There will be no construction over the weekends or between Monday
through Thursday of our event.

>
> (3) Are the provisions of that agreement strong enough that, if
> the prohibition were violated, the hotel would feel serious
> pain, not just, e.g., the guarantee that we would never return
> and/or the need to discount a few rooms?

There is no “serious pain” penalty provision in the contract addressing
violation of the Hotel’s agreement to cease construction during our meeting.
Our long-standing relationship with Hilton and their commercial interest in our
continued/repeat business is our leverage.

>
> Finally, if they are able to postpone construction for
> Monday-Thursday, what is the plan for the meetings, classes, and
> side-events that normally occur on Saturday and Sunday?  We've
> been in hotels with "no construction during the meeting days"
> promises before when the pre-meeting weekend has been completely
> disrupted.

As indicated above, construction will not be conducted on Saturday or Sunday.

>
> Finally, has the IESG agreed to not schedule WG meetings for
> Friday?  If not, what is the justification for an agreement that
> could result in its being impossible or at least terribly
> difficult for WGs  scheduled on  Friday to get work done?

Or mildly difficult, or not difficult at all just to round out the possibilities.

The construction itself is not in the buildings where our meetings are being held,
but in another part of the property.  Our meeting space is located in the Mid-Pacific
Conference Center, which is separated from the construction site by the Tapa
Convention Center and the Tapa Tower.

We will discuss the nature of the construction work being done to see if we can
further minimize any impact on Friday’s sessions.

Ray


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>   john
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