On 5/19/2014 10:27 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > and if you think you are big enough, you can try to outsource the > problem and dump it on the rest of the network given the amount of confusion in this space, what is a specific example of anyone "outsourcing" spam on the rest of the network? i don't care whether you name names, but you need to cite technical or operational details that make your assertion assessable. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net