On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:16 PM, t.p. <daedulus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Levine" <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 6:31 PM >> > >I'm more concerned with reading and writing. >> > >> > I still don't understand what this is supposed to mean in practice. >> > >> > There have been I-D's that desperately needed the help of a competent >> > English speaker to rewrite parts where the language was so fractured >> > that I couldn't figure it out. In my experience, people with poor >> > English skills who come to the IETF are doing the best they can, so >> > this suggests that if you (the general you) see a draft of interest >> > with language problems, it would be a good idea to offer to edit or >> > coauthor it. >> >> How? (seriously) >> >> I have tried editing the xml and get a sense of why it can be so hard to >> write coherent English in that markup language. I have tried editing >> the text in the direction I think that it should go but then it is >> unclear what changes I am suggesting. I have tried my own markup >> /*rgurnggkjik/regurgitate?/ which I understand but others do not:-( > > > How about HTML? > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hallambaker-rfctool-02 > > I have a tool that does the conversion. I'll get it packaged up. Runs on > Windows, Linux, OSX or any other platform supported by mono or .NET > I know that I am going to sound heretical, but I do not find editing XML by hand with a normal basic editor (e.g., jedit, gedit, emacs, ...) really hard. It is annoying, I agree, with all those <stuff>...</stuff>, but the markup does not interfere, in my opinion, with the normal text meaning. [Disclaimer: I am a LaTeX user, so maybe I am used to mixing (or shaking :) markup and text and writing without seeing the final outcome.] I typically use jedit whose XML-mode makes a good work in simplifying XML editing (e.g., closing tags, suggesting node attributes, and so on). The only difficulty that sometimes I experience is that you can get lost in all the <section>...</section> nesting, so you do not know at which nesting level you are. Riccardo > > > -- > Website: http://hallambaker.com/