Re: how do we make the IETF working language work?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Levine" <johnl@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 6:31 PM
> >I'm more concerned with reading and writing.
>
> I still don't understand what this is supposed to mean in practice.
>
> There have been I-D's that desperately needed the help of a competent
> English speaker to rewrite parts where the language was so fractured
> that I couldn't figure it out.  In my experience, people with poor
> English skills who come to the IETF are doing the best they can, so
> this suggests that if you (the general you) see a draft of interest
> with language problems, it would be a good idea to offer to edit or
> coauthor it.

How?  (seriously)

I have tried editing the xml and get a sense of why it can be so hard to
write coherent English in that markup language.  I have tried editing
the text in the direction I think that it should go but then it is
unclear what changes I am suggesting.  I have tried my own markup
/*rgurnggkjik/regurgitate?/ which I understand but others do not:-(

I want the sort of tool that was a commonplace when programming decades
ago, so that the changes are apparent, are temporary but can be
selectively made permanent by the editor - or not as the case may be -
and are faultlessly incorporated into the xml when made permanent.

Any ideas?

Tom Petch

p.s. oh yes, it must run on Windows.

> I don't really any WG sessions being badly impaired by poor speakers
> although there have certainly been presentations I wouldn't have been
> able to follow if the speaker didn't have slides, and there are plenty
> of WGs whose meetings I've never attended.  Is there a concrete
> suggestion here?
>
> R's,
> John





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