--On Sunday, February 16, 2014 07:20 -0500 Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > I think it's better to just accept that the language is > imprecise, and think carefully about what is that we might be > objecting to, and whether the objection _really_ makes sense > in the context. I guess there's about zero chance that this > won't get discussed to death, and that's fine, but I don't > think there's a knob to turn here. In case it isn't obvious, I agree. I think it is far more important that we concentrate or energy on what is being said (with or without disclaimers) than about social or political correctness in terminology that almost no one outside will interpret as significant anyway. If we come to the conclusion that our "leaders" are not saying what we want them to say (with or without qualifications about who they are speaking for), then the correct remedies are to make them better informed about what we do want said (or not said) and, in the thoroughly unlikely event that such advice is ineffective and that is important, direct them to stop participating in such "leadership" meetings or other events except possibly as silent observers. john