--On Sunday, February 16, 2014 09:19 +1300 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Thanks for the update. > > I'd really like to push the idea that we stop using the word > "leaders" and start using "spokespeople". > > It's something I should have realised many years ago; the > enormous scientific collaborations at CERN who used to be my > customers have used this terminology (or > spokesman/spokeswoman) for ever. It really is closer to what > we want to project about our community, isn't it? Brian, Yes. The problem is that, while the RIR and ISOC CESs, and maybe the ICANN one, have the authority and perhaps even a mandate, to act as spokespeople. The IAB and IETF Chairs have no such authority: in the absence of rather specific inquiries of the community and determination of consensus, they are not supposed to "speak for", e.g., the IETF. It is entirely reasonable, and sometimes necessary, that they be able to speak as individuals who happen to hold those positions and who have the perspective that comes with those positions but, in allowing them to do that, the community trusts that they will make the distinction as clear as necessary for the particular circumstances that apply. Certainly you understand that. My recollection is that you were exceptional careful about the distinctions while wearing the relevant hats. It is a challenging situation for everyone involved, but I don't think the terminology change would improve things. It might make them worse. best, john