Ask not what you can do for the IETF mailing list. Ask what the IETF mailing list can do for you. good one, Randy. Lloyd Wood http://about.me/lloydwood ________________________________________ From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Randy Bush [randy@xxxxxxx] Sent: 01 January 2014 18:03 To: IETF Disgust Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-farrell-perpass-attack-02.txt> (Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack) to Best Current Practice the violations of trust in the internet are on the front page every day for months. but we don't need no stinkin' policy or architectural response. we just need a mailing list on which to blather endlessly while rome burns. what are you gonna do to make the internet a better and safer place today? randy