> Au contraire. I like security. I recognise the need for security, and am glad it exists. > > I'm just not a big fan of people who demand security where it is not needed, and who prioritise security above all other aspects of protocol design, which are dismissed as unimportant and are neglected as a result. Perhaps it might be easier to discuss this if we all recognised that it is a question of tradeoffs. (But as Phillip correctly noted, the world changes, perceptions changes, new information comes available, and today's tradeoffs may be different from yesterdays.) Jari