+1. Perens' response is well worth reading. Universal encryption is not a a laudable goal. (I'm also struck by the thought that Farrell's draft carefully defines 'attack', yet does not define 'defend'. To defend or not is a choice; that choice is neglected.) Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/ ________________________________________ From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Perens [bruce@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 04 December 2013 01:25 To: ietf@xxxxxxxx; perpass@xxxxxxxx; ietf-http-wg@xxxxxxxx Subject: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01 I have written a reply to draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 Please read it at http://perens.com/works/ietf/perpass/appropriate-response/01.pdf The reply is _not_ in the form of an Internet Draft, because it's political discourse. Thanks Bruce Perens