> I think that if you are going to talk about the consensus problem, > then all you have to do is point to the lack of parity, which is > visible at every IETF, and then someone who claims it isn't a problem > is automatically in the rough. That strikes me as the welcome mat in front of a rathole. How does the gender balance in the IETF (or whatever subgroup of the IETF) compare to the balance in the population from which the IETF or the subgroup is drawn? What population is that, exactly? etc etc blah blah There are lots of reasons we don't see more women in the IETF. Some are things we can fix ourselves, some are things we can't, but you'd have to be wilfully blind not to see ways that the IETF can be uncomfortable for women, particularly young women. R's, John