Re: Of governments and representation (was: Montevideo Statement)

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Thank you for your frank and honest response John.

-Jorge

> On Oct 11, 2013, at 3:18 PM, John Curran <jcurran@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> Just to start, there is no clear consensus of what "Internet Governance" means and entails.
> 
> You are correct.  The term "Internet Governance" is a term of art, and a poor one
> at that.  It is the term that governments like to use, and in fact, in 2005 several of 
> them got together at the United Nations-initiated World Summit on the Information 
> Society (WSIS) and came up with the following definition:
> 
> "Internet governance is the development and application by Governments, the private sector and civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution and use of the Internet."  
> <http://www.wgig.org/docs/WGIGREPORT.pdf>
> 
> I happen to hate the term "Internet Governance", but its use has become a common 
> as shorthand for the discussions of governments expressing their needs and desires 
> with respect to the Internet, its related institutions, and civil society.
> 
> It might not be necessary for the IETF to be involved (if it so chooses), but I'm not
> certain that leaving it to ISOC would make sense if/when the discussion moves into 
> areas such as structures for managing delegated registries of IETF-defined protocols
> (i.e. protocols, names, numbers)
> 
>> In your particular case as President and CEO of ARIN, clearly you "lead" that organization but it does not make you representative of the Internet or its users. I can't find anywhere in the Bylaws and Articles of Incorporation of ARIN the word "Governance."
>> 
>> Nobody will deny any of the alleged "leaders" to participate in any meeting, conference, event, in their individual capacities, but NONE has any representation of the whole Internet.
> 
> Full agreement there...  No one has any representation of the entire Internet, and 
> we should oppose the establishment of any structures that might aspire to such.
> 
>> Do we really want to create a "government" for the Internet ? How do you propose to select people to be representatives for all the sectors ?
> 
> I do not, and expect others on this list feel the same.  However, it is likely that more
> folks need to participate to make sure that such things don't happen.
> 
>> And in particular how do you propose to select an IETF representative and who/how it's going to give her/him its mandate to represent the organization on other forums ?
> 
> That is the essential question of this discussion, and hence the reason for my email.
> 
> I'd recommend that the IETF select leaders whose integrity you trust, you provide them 
> with documents of whatever principles the IETF considers important and how it views 
> it relations with other Internet institutions (could be developed via Internet Drafts) and 
> ask them to report back as frequently as possible.   Alternatively, the IETF could opt
> to not participate in such discussions at all, and deal with any developments after the 
> fact (an option only if there is sufficient faith that the current models, structures, and 
> relationships of the IETF are inviolate.)
> 
> FYI,
> /John





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