> From: Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> > we are in a big problem, and this is one major part. two decades of > lack of coherent architectural oversight is another symptom of this. I have two issues with your observation. First, while I agree we've been deficient in architecture, from personal experience I can tell you that the I* community is remarkably resistant to architectural guidance (which necessarily involves a rather long time-frame, the kind of time-frame to which many engineers are inherently resistant, focused as they are on the practical, here-and-now). I don't know much about the other levels of the stack, but I can assure you that at the internetworking level, the community has been remarkably resistant to architectural guidance over the last 20 years - and I have the arrows in my back to prove it (the lack of separation of location and identity in IPv6 being only one of the largest). Would attempting to push the I* down a particular path, different to the one that the one it wants to take, have any different result than Kobe? I am not sure. Second, it's not at all clear to me that the people who are best suited to provide architectural guidance are the same people who are best suited to be facilitating leaders. They are very different skills, and to find both in one person, at the kind of high level needed in the I* now that it is responsible for a major part of the world's communication infrastructure, would seem to me to be rather unlikely. Noel