> From: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx> >> The IETF worked quite well (and produced a lot of good stuff) back in, >> e.g. the Phill Gross era, when I am pretty sure Phill's model of his >> job was indeed as a 'facilitator', not a 'leader' in the sense you >> seem to be thinking of. > Because we've got more than 120 working groups, thousands of > participants ... I don't like hierarchy but I don't know how to scale > up the organization without it. I don't believe this necessarily invalidates my point. Yes, a larger organization will need to make organizational changes (scaling factors apply not just in protocols), but it is not at all clear that this includes changing the role of the leaders from 'facilitators' to 'they chose the direction, the rest of us follow' (which is what the original post seemed to imply was needed). Noel