On Oct 10, 2013, at 1:52 PM, jnc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Noel Chiappa) wrote: >> From: Arturo Servin <arturo.servin@xxxxxxxxx> > >> Then we have a big problem as organization, we are then leaderless. > > I'm not sure this is true. The IETF worked quite well (and produced a lot of > good stuff) back in, e.g. the Phill Gross era, when I am pretty sure Phill's > model of his job was indeed as a 'facilitator', not a 'leader' in the sense > you seem to be thinking of. So why do we now need a 'leader'? Agreed. To quote Alan Greenspan about the 2008 economic debacle- "And the answer is that we're not smart enough as people. We just cannot see events that far in advance. And unless we can, it's very difficult to look back and say, why didn't we catch something?" Couple human limitations with a desire to accept questionable justifications at bypassing concerns driven by leadership notoriety for pushing a group's agenda. A common symptom is to declare objections to be from an aberrant individual, even when also expressed by others. The IETF must remain critical of its process and its leadership to better avoid future debacles. Regards, Douglas Otis