Leaders were "processed" thoroughly prior to their appointment so I trust them. And that they hold through the "spirit" of being an IETF and shall be responsible under oath for any impact on the organization.
BR,
Medel
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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree to appoint leader under clear procedures, so I am not sure of representing without procedure is authorised in ietf, but I trust that ietf leaders do practice procedure, but not sure if discussion meant that there was something missing in this statement practice.AB
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Arturo Servin wrote:
We appointed our leaders, we have to trust them. They had to do a call,
an important one and they made it.
I support what they did, that is what we chose them for, to represent
us and be our voice. We cannot expect that they ask our opinion for
every decision they made, that is not practical or possible in today's
world. Sometimes like in this statement, we need to trust in their good
judgment.
My 20 cents,
as
On 10/9/13 12:00 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>
>
> --On Wednesday, October 09, 2013 02:44 -0400 Andrew Sullivan
> <ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> That does not say that the IAB has issued a statement. On the
>> contrary, the IAB did not issue a statement. I think the
>> difference between some individuals issuing a statement in
>> their capacity as chairs and CEOs and so on, and the body for
>> which they are chair or CEO or so on issuing a similar
>> statement, is an important one. We ought to attend to it.
>>
>> Please note that this message is not in any way a comment on
>> such leadership meetings. In addition, for the purposes of
>> this discussion I refuse either to affirm or deny concurrence
>> in the IAB chair's statement. I merely request that we, all
>> of us, attend to the difference between "the IAB Chair says"
>> and "the IAB says".
>
> Andrew,
>
> While I agree that the difference is important for us to note,
> this is a press release. It would be naive at best to assume
> that its intended audience would look at it and say "Ah. A bunch
> of people with leadership roles in important Internet
> organizations happened to be in the same place and decided to
> make a statement in their individual capacities". Not only does
> it not read that way, but there are conventions for delivering
> the "individual capacity" message, including prominent use of
> phrases like "for identification only".
>
> Independent of how I feel about the content of this particular
> statement, if the community either doesn't like the message or
> doesn't like this style of doing things, I think that needs to
> be discussed and made clear. That includes not only at the
> level of preferences about community consultation but about
> whether, in in the judgment of the relevant people, there is
> insufficient time to consult the community, no statement should
> be made at all.
>
> Especially from the perspective of having been in the
> sometimes-uncomfortable position of IAB Chair, I don't think IAB
> members can disclaim responsibility in a situation like this.
> Unlike the Nomcom-appointed IETF Chair, the IAB Chair serves at
> the pleasure and convenience of the IAB. If you and your
> colleagues are not prepared to share responsibility for
> statements (or other actions) the IAB Chair makes that involve
> that affiliation, then you are responsible for taking whatever
> actions are required to be sure that only those actions are
> taken for which you are willing to share responsibility. Just
> as you have done, I want to stress that I'm not recommending any
> action here, only that IAB members don't get to disclaim
> responsibility made by people whose relationship with the IAB is
> the reason why that are, e.g., part of a particular letter or
> statement.
>
> john
>
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