On 07/10/2013, at 4:45 PM, Pete Resnick <presnick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I would be really disappointed by this. Indeed, my primary target was not at all new or casual participants; it was really intended for the dedicated folks and the chairs. I hope this is the start of a serious discussion in the IETF, not a primer for how the IETF works at a high level. For newer folks, I'm fine with the idea that some of this can be either incorporated into the Tao or the newcomer's orientation, or separated into a smaller primer document. But I really believe the long form is needed for real discussions among folks in the community. WFM; the Tao seems like a good first stop. Thanks again, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/