On 10/6/13 4:34 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > On 07/10/2013, at 11:03 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> 1. in a natural state; without decoration or other treatment. "a >> diamond in the rough" >> 2. in difficulties. "even before the recession hit, the project was >> in the rough" > I think he's using it in the sense that it's used on a golf > course... I think that's pretty clearly the case, although it might be confusing in juxtaposition with "rough consensus," where "rough" means "approximate." I'm not sure it's a big deal and I don't want to lawyer the document to death. We could spin in circles for years trying to nail down "current practice." Part of the problem that this document addresses is that some current practice is anathema to consensus processes, not because IETF process is wrong and needs modification but because some chairs, I* folk, etc., aren't very skilled at managing consensus. Melinda