To both Doug and Hector, and others who want to drift in this direction: As I've said before, the question of moving ADSP to Historic is one we're taking on its own, and is not connected to anything we do or don't do with DMARC. Bringing DMARC into the discussion is a distraction, and, worse, makes it look like there's a tie-in. There is not. So, please, let's not discuss DMARC as part of the "ADSP to Historic" conversation. The issue is purely one of whether ADSP can be shown to have enough value to maintain it as a Proposed Standard, whether we're not getting enough value from it, and whether there's harm resulting from our recommending its use and seeing it poorly used. Please, everyone: discussions of DMARC in relation to this topic are out of scope. Barry, Applications AD