Josh, Stephen, It is important to understand the limitations of technology in this discussion. We can improve communications security, and in some cases reduce the amount information communicated. But we cannot help a situation where you are communicating with a party that you cannot entirely trust with technology alone. That does not mean we should not do anything. I would also like to focus this topic on the general implications for Internet technology, rather than any specific alleged activities. The discussion has heightened our need to consider the large-scale monitoring threat. It is important to understand that the overall situation is probably bigger and more complex than we see today, and it will also evolve as time goes by. Hence: if we build something, lets build for the general case, reducing ability of outsiders to get into communications, reduce amount of sensitive information transported, make privacy attacks more costly, etc. Jari