On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I agree with both, but maybe the problem is that people from academia are > not participating enough to report to ADs their concerns (e.g. what is bad > in ietf, or lack of diversity), on the other hand, people from industry are > more organised and don't need/want the academians ideas/participations :-) > Not really, at least in my case. The problem is the different nature of the work done in IETF and in academia. In IETF the work is mostly of "engineering" nature: you have a problem (e.g., update HTTP with new features) and you try to solve it using, as much as possible, well-known approaches/algorithms/... It is not common that an IETF problem requires some strongly original approach. In academia, instead, we are evaluated on the basis of the scientific papers we produce and, usually, solutions in IETF protocols are not original enough to deserve publication on scientific journals. *Please note*: let me emphasize that I am not criticizing neither of the two worlds (IETF or academia); it is just that we have two similar, but different (important) jobs with minimal overlap... With limited resources (not only funds, also students are nowadays a scarce resource) we must concentrate our efforts where the return for unit of work is larger. Riccardo > AB > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Riccardo Bernardini <framefritti@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:14 AM, George Michaelson <ggm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> > Currently, IETF standards activity carries little or no weight for an >> > academic career profile. It doesn't appear to have a weighting compared >> > to >> > peer review publication. I think this is a shame, because the >> > contribution >> > is as substantive, if not more so. And, since time is limited and >> > choices >> > have to be made, I believe good students/postdocs don't come into our >> > space >> > because the payback isn't there compared to submission into the >> > peer-review >> > process. >> > >> > (happy to be corrected. this is a belief, not a proven theory) >> >> I can confirm your theory, at least regarding me. >> I come from academia. I came with some enthusiasm, happy to try to get >> involved in IETF activities; I subscribed to few WG mailing list, but >> after some time I discovered that (unfortunately) the payback for unit >> of work was much less than just publishing scientific paper. So, I >> unhappily unsubscribed from most of the ML and I stay here, lurking in >> the background, waiting for some interesting subject... >> >> Too bad. >> >> >> >