...and a rebuttal from Jeff Schiller. http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@xxxxxxxxxxxx/msg12497.html Pass the popcorn. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/ ________________________________________ From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx [l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 08 September 2013 22:32 Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@xxxxxxxxxxxx/msg12325.html That's a pretty damning indictment of the development of IPSec from John Gilmore. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood