On 9/8/13 10:37 AM, SM wrote: > At 07:07 08-09-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote: >> You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia .... > > There were people from Pakistan who participated in the IETF. I recall > an email exchange where a person from that country received an > unpleasant comment from someone who is part of the IETF "leadership". > > In my opinion a discussion about Country X or Country Y would take the > thread downhill. It can also have a chilling effect. State employment of legal and extra-legal means to spy on and capitalize the activities of their own citizens and those of other states is something that transcends boundries, cultural identity or ideology. It doesn't much matter if you're David Dellinger, Neda Agha Sultan, Khalid El-Masri, etc, if you'd ended up on the wrong side of a state apparatus, well you're going to have a bad time of it. Should your tools, the contents of your mind, and the various effects and context of your personal communication become instruments of state-power? Because the tools we've built are certainly capable of that. > At 05:14 08-09-2013, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >> Another worrying aspect of [censored] is that it is named >> after[censored]. They seem to be looking to make [censored] out of us. >> They certainly seem to be endorsing [censored]. What should we think >> if the [censored] had a similar program codenamed [censored]? > > It would not look good. > > Regards, > -sm