On 8/16/13 9:53 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > As someone who favors charging remote participants, who has paid > most or all of the travel and associated costs for every meeting > I've attended in the last ten plus years, and who doesn't share > in a view of "if I can, everyone can", let me make a few > observations. I think these are good points, and I'd like to add: the extent to which there's now an expectation that someone must participate in a meeting in order to contribute to work is the extent to which there's been a gradual shift in working methods in the organization, and effectively reflect a loss (to whatever extent) of openness. We can stay free and open if mailing lists remain the locus of the IETF's work. The costs associated with remote participation have to be borne by someone; the marginal cost of someone joining an existing mailing list is effectively zero. Melinda