In some parts of the world there are good engineers that get $100 for a week as salary. Charging remote participation will raise the bar even more for people that cannot travel and their only way to participate is in mailing lists and remotely. Providing good remote tools it expensive in capex and opex as stated before, but charging remote participants it is not the way forward, unless that payment were optional (I personally I would do it, but I know people -students, researchers in public universities, badly paid engineers whose employer is not convinced that the ietf is a good way to expend money, etc.- ) Regards, as On 8/16/13 11:56 AM, Keith Moore wrote: > On 08/16/2013 09:38 AM, Janet P Gunn wrote: >> > >> ...I want it from >> > people who can't get approval for even a $100 expense, from people >> > who are between jobs, people from academia, and even from just plain >> > ordinary users rather than just vendors or big corps. >> >> I agree. >> >> The realities of internal politics/funding being what they are, it is >> sometimes going to be just as hard to get $100 "remote" fee approved >> as it as to get the whole f2f trip approved. > As someone who just spent $3.5K out of pocket to show up in Berlin, I > have a hard time being sympathetic to someone who won't participate > because he has to spend $100 out of pocket. > > Keith >